Like anyone who lives close to downtown Royal Oak, my husband and I ran into Jack . We saw him a few times at the old Oakridge Market in the 90s at the height of all the controversy. We'd say "Hi" and he would respond with a smile and a gentle hello. He wouldn't have much to say. He didn't know us, but he never seemed to be bothered by the attention.

I din't know Dr. Jack personally, but I respected the work he was doing. I believe that he sincerely wanted to help those people who were suffering, and I think that he helped them die with dignity. People who haven't suffered greatly can't begin to know what it is like to be in agony. Unfortunately, I do, and that's why I believe that he shouldn't have been criticized for his work. He didn't force his beliefs on anyone; people sought his help willingly. I think that he was misunderstood by most people.

Kevorkian started a movement--- DEATH WITH DIGNITY..which is not an MD assisted administering of the death chemicals....but simply Rx for the things that would permit a quiet passing to "the other side" by those whose MD wrote the Rx for the necessary supplies. The patient would then administer the drink to himself in the presence of those he chose to stand by him/her to the very end.

This type of "selective death" is legal in certain northwestern states. It should be an option for all states ballots. If only HE DID NOT ADMINSTER THE NECESSARY COCKTAIL...his imprisonment was a lesson to those who agree with DEATH with DIGNITY ..so the newer method is self medication. No caregiver is involves..only for the Rx !
REST IN PEACE, DR. JACK Flojoj

He probably was a nice man and meant well. However, there is a real dangerous slippery slop in this whole assisted suicide movement. I would much rather all of us especially medical people and religious people, would use and develop better ways of lessening suffering in the dieing and the sick then killing people. The hospice care movement should really get behind research in this area. No one wants to suffer or see someone else suffer but legalizing assisted suicide would be unwise for the good of society and could put unfair pressure on the dieing( someone racking up a lot of medical bills or who feels a burden to his or her family), the chronically depressed and those who live with chronic pain. Those who feel like they are useless to society may feel added pressure to end it all. Let's all get behind lessening pain and depression and expand choices in hospice care etc. but we should not cross the line in this sad area.

Many people do not understand the immense suffering, having no dignity, with a terminal diagnosis is like. As a RN/RRT I have seen my fair share of painful deaths. Patients in constant pain week after week, losing their dignity, on morphine or other even more potent narcotics, in and out of consciousness, and Families worn out from giving total care.
I think under these circumstances people should be able to decide THEIR destiny. I would never want to see a family member or myself go through that. Work in a hospice for a year if you don't believe in his cause. It can be horrific.
For this reason, I believe in Dr. Kevorkian's cause. Many countries already have systems in place to follow the patients wishes.
I think more discussions should take place on this subject. Most don't want to see a dog/cat in unimaginable pain. Why would anybody want to do this to a loved one.

I am an animal lover but we treat our animals better than we do our people. We don't allow them to suffer a horrible death but we do people. I believe Dr. Jack was right in what he was doing. It is a personal choice to choose assisted suicide. Each person's suffering is different and I don't mean nothing like a boyfriend/girlfriend leaving/breaking up with you you. I think Dr. Jack was a pioneer and it will be legal in the future.

No matter how many people didn't understand his work, I did and I supported it. Why is it we can put our pets down when they are suffering but a family member must suffer the final stages of several diseases either in pain or drugged up to mask the pain and not know what's going on? Death with dignity should be an option for all people. RIP Dr. Kevorkian.

I didnt know the Dr. but I respect him very much

It is very simple.Dr. was a great man,and that says it all

I think Dr. K. was a great man and that is all there is to say.He followed the first thing they teach us in school.RELEIVE PAIN AND SUFFERING.AND SECOND,DO NO HARM.He releived pain and suffering and he did no harm.I beleive in and i follow them both,AND I DONT CARE WHAT IT TAKES TO DO IT

Don't know the real answer if Jack was right or really wrong only god knows the true answer. Before we pass total judgement we must know what we are talking about. Never judge someone unless first walking in his shoes !

@KenHp1
I totally agree. I'm a nurse also and I worked in hospice for many years. pain cannot always be controlled by medications and to watch people die in a such horrific ways without dignity, broke my heart.
At first i didn't agree with Dr K, but as time went on, I researched his work and i changed my mind. I would get very angry when people called him Dr Death. People came TO HIM wanting to die and if no one has seen some of these horrific deaths or is suffering now with an incurable and painful disease, you have no idea what it's like.
I believe he was a good and courageous man and i believe his work was noble.
R.I.P. Dr K
Thank you for your service

What is wrong about death with dignity? Why are we letting the Fundamentalist group lead our lifes?

Look at Switzerland were people are allowed to express their desires. They do not have a problem with that.
I think people have to be more sensitive to someones pain and let them die with dignity. IT IS THEIR LIFES.
WE SHOULD RESPECT PEOPLES WISHES!

"Great Man" you all say. May be. Point tho is that he advocated exit by assisted suicide but when he became ill (being a Pathologist , he must have known his was terminal) he checked into a hospital instead of applying his "suicide machine to himself". See! We all want to live. Even Jack ,who was so coldly scientific about a human conditionwe barely understand, deeply wanted to live just a little bit longer. We all die in the end. The process is not one that requires a Kervokian approach . He was wrong on that score. And I too am a physician who has seen death in all forms. I do not think that the healer should also be the "executioner" even when there is a semblance of law pushing for crossing into that slippery slope.

Most people do not realize the huge benefit Dr K. was to people dieing in pain.

My Father-in-law was terminal with cancer at the height of Dr K's actions. My father-in-law's Oncologist remarked to the family that Dr K's actions had made it much easier for doctors to prescribe sufficient medication (in my father-in-law's case, a morphine pump) to fully control the pain, without fear of prosecution for over prescribing narcotics.

Ann

I lived in Royal Oak for many years - while there, I met Dr. Kevorkian at the library when sirens were blaring nearby because of a tornado warning ... he was excited - 'said he never seen one before ... I took the occasion to introduce myself, and soon many others were gathered 'round ... was quite an event ... I now live in Lancaster Co ., PA., and miss R.O. tremendously!!

I still have a "Back Jack" pin; I will wear it today ... he wanted to end pain, suffering, and a waste of money. May there soon be another Jack Kevorkian!!!

RIP Dr. K.. you did your best to get people to understand that you can have a say in how you die. I do not believe he took advantage of anybody psychologically, you are assuming these people were stupid and could not make this decision based on the toll their illnesses had on them. You will not convince me that all that pain and agony is a gift to anyone. But we have free will and if it is within our power to end terrible physical pain before you cannot do anything about it and end up a vegetable that your poor family members have to deal with and remember as such then I support that.

Hey John .e. smoking ,drinking swearing is a sin too,........guess we are all going......welcome to Hell!

I see above Dr K is being criticized as a hypocrite. Chukuma Okadigwe, MD " he advocated exit by assisted suicide but when he became ill (being a Pathologist , he must have known his was terminal) he checked into a hospital instead of applying his "suicide machine to himself".

Dr k did not suggest suicide for all terminally ill, just, that it should be a option for those who found the pain to great to go on.

Great man greatly mistreated by a medieval society at best. If humans survive long enough, all of these man made religions and practices will be looked upon as sophomoric and controlling. I deeply respect his courage to face the radical right while assisting the people who came to him for help.

Unfortunately I never got to meet Dr. K, but I would have loved to for I supported and still support his work. I truly believe in him and his work and like most people who do good or who are in his situation we have not heard one bad thing about this man. I would have loved to meet him and he will truly be missed. Rest in peace Jack.

Chukuma from what I read he did not have a terminal disease; he had kidney issues related to age. I'm sure that if he was diagnosed with one he would not have hesitated to do himself in. As it was it seemed like he went with peace and dignity which is what he wanted for those people for whom NO medicine was going to help. He chose to die the way he wanted, which is what he tried to have for others in much worse predicaments than his own.

If u live every day of your life like it was your last ,one day u will be rite!

Firstly, There are a few people who this man was nothing but a problem, contrary to what they think these people need to realize that people like George Bush and others like him have plenty blood on there hands and have not been held accountable for there actions.

Christianity and religions are major problems in societies,war is murder not matter how you look at it and to fight to preserve a political corrupt system.

Thirdly, These people need to put the themselves in these people who want to be terminated because extreme health conditions and see if they want to live like themselves and also pay the medical costs associated with the conditions. Since it captilistic corrupt system look at the people who get a real comfortable out of there misfortune.

Fourthly, There is no wonderful "GOD" if there was then guess what this place would be one major regulated and controlled place. We are humans are by nature cruel and distructive and very few are not we have been brainwashed by others and forced into a system no matter where you are.

These people need to look around the world and see what these elite corrupt bastards are doing to this world and maybe they would get a different understanding, I really do not hope they ever end up in real sad situation cause they may be wishing for someone like Koevoerkin

I hope that all people can give up trying to control and influence others unless they stand blameless of all sin. Sin is not like law. Only one judge has superior knowledge to define a man's offenses as sin. This man "Jack" was one of God's children and only God can say what his actions meant. The Bible is a beautiful source of truth that is meant to help the reader understand himself. If you read it and then immediately judge others you have not understood its purpose. If you knew Jack you can talk about him as a person but other than that only God knew his heart. Judgement is meant for the one who knows. May God be with us all so that we may first see our own faults and then we will realize that criticism is out of place in his kingdom.

as a nurse I see suffering everyday. what most people don't realize is thast we DO have legalized euthanasia. It's called titrating Morphine which causes CNS depression. The dose is elevated to cause respiratory depression. Patients rarely die OF their disease but WITH their disease. The people who are opposing this will feel diffent when it's them or a loved one.

I do believe that suicide is a sin but say you are a vegetable and your family has the plug pulled is that murder?

I'm very sad that jack passed. I gave my mother in-law a gift certificate from Jack but even sadder my Mother in-law never redeemed it

I never knew Dr. K but I did admire him. I truly believe people should have the right to end their own lives when they become very ill if it is their choice. I lived in Michigan when the "assisteds" were happening and was most unhappy when the idiots stepped in to stop him. I believe he was a very good man. Rest in peace Dr. K.

I believe in God, and if I'd ever had the chance to meet Dr Kevorkian, I would have hugged the man, and wept with gratitude for his bravery and his clarity.
When the End is that near, and the pain is that great, what other spiritual lessons can be left to be learned? By then, you have seen all the heartbreak, all the kindness, all the nuances of the Lord in those and in the world around you. It is only man-made policy that keeps you here on Earth, a truly human reaction--a fear of death--that says to be righteous you must continue these medications, this feeding tube, this ventilator, we will force you to adhere to what WE believe is the 'brave' and 'righteous' way to die.
Dr Kevorkian gave an option, offered Mercy, to people who knew their 'bodies of clay' had almost no strength left, who had learned what they could from this Cross borne upon them, who had worked through their fear of death, and were ready to go Home. Is this mercy not closer to the work of the Lord than a mandate requiring the sustenance of a terminally ailing body?
Cruelty is, after all, the greatest Sin.

MY exit of this world is ONLY MY BUSINESS, WITH SAFE GUARDS IN PLACE PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE THAT RIGHT AND LET OTHERS DESIDE FOR THEMSELVES!!! THE OTHERs HAVE SUCH HUGE EGOs THAT THEY KNOW BEST!!! BULLCHIET!!!!

Capital punishment by society has codified burning people to death by electrocution, suffocating them with poison gas, and strangling, beheading or if they were lucky, breaking their necks on the gallows. With the advent of DNA testing, we have discovered that many innocent people have been legally executed by society, which costs the taxpayers over $1M each. Now our government has determined that a more humane method of execution is poisoning by intravenous injection of hard to find chemicals. Needless to say, the judges and jury members are never required to participate in these executions, but to merely pontificate upon the merit of their decisions. After execution, the remains of the victim are mutilated during an autopsy to determine the cause of death, and the execution members are given the remainder of the day off work. There is no count of the emotional trauma to these members or expense to the taxpayers in Worker's Compensation claims. I believe that society should give serious thought to the controversies regarding capital punishment and euthanasia, and if is to be continued, we need to embrace the humanity of Dr. Kevorkian by providing painless, cost-effective alternatives to the current choices for the condemned and the incurably ill. Perhaps Socrates would have chosen carbon monoxide gas to the cup of Hemlock.

Supposedly this country allows for free speech, freedom of thought and freedom of action, as long as it is not used for the violent overthrow of the existing government.
Dr. Kevorkian only assisted people who supposedly had "control of their own bodies"? Abortion is LEGAL, supposedly BECAUSE women have control of their own body! The Supreme Court said abortion was LEGAL, yet ASSISTED SUICIDE is NOT, and Dr. Kevorkian went to prison! Had he become an abortionist he would have never seen the inside of a prison! WHAT A SOCIETY!

it was an outrage this guy ever did time for anything he was a very intelligent free thinking Armenian American a great loss to a society that kills its unborn and fights a loosing war on drugs

Bless Dr. Jack Kevorkian for sacrificing himself for others to help open the eyes of the world for the suffering and for those families who suffer with them. And to be the guidance when people have endured pain and want to find peace and die with dignity. And give a peaceful closure to those families who can share those final moments and be with their loved one and say goodbye in a way that eases grief. When one of my animals is at the end of their life as when their quality of life is gone or they would have to continue with any pain or discomfort, I relieve them of that with a peaceful and humane ending with euthanasia. I am able to hold them, tell them I love them, thank them for blessing my life, and they take their final breaths being held against my heart and feeling my love. I personally hope that I could experience that when I die, having loved ones around to say goodbye and not leave them with the memory of me suffering or in pain. Dr. Jack Kevorkian was a blessing for humanity. And may he rest in peace.

I have always thought of Dr.Kevorkian as being a very understanding and caring person. He did not show any malice in what he did. He thought out his actions thoroughly even when he was faced with his own freedom being taken from him.I have seen more malice in Doctors that practice medicine to this day! I find their lack of understanding and caring seemingly more unconquerable! They can come across as extremely amoral selfish people only pursuing their own goals which in my opinion is monetary gain! Keep in mind i'm not saying all of them. In this country many of us consider our pets our loved ones. Anyone who has ever had to go through the process of euthanasia with one knows how difficult it is. You wait until the Vet. lets you know your pet (loved one) will start to suffer if you don't.You do the selfless act for them not for you! It is the thing to do, yet people don't deserve the same compassion? For me Dr.Kevorkian=selfless...while others = selfish. Sorry this was such a long post, i obviously had a strong opinion and have had it for quite sometime! I wish i had met him and told him myself ...my hope now is that he R.I.P. I leave you with this quote "You have enemies? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life." Sir Winston Churchill.

I hate to hear Dr. K is dead. I hope it was quiet and peaceful, like he did for other folks. Some of you obviously haven't had loved one's who have BEGGED to be allowed to die or to be helped to die. It's sad. May he rest quietly.

Don't know the inner workings of his conscience, but outwardly it doesn't look very good for him. He may have meant well but hell is paved with good intentions. Whether we believe it or not, it is not too difficult to see there is a reason for suffering in this world. We are not animals totally because we can think about abstractions and deduce from generalities. We are not made for this material world alone. So, if we've done something wrong in our life, we can amend and get back on the right track but it is mainly by sublimating our sufferings. It is not ours or anyone elses to decide when we are to die. Those last years or months are very precious in paying back what we owe. So to off somebody with a mix of chemicals deprives them of that opportunity. Very, very, very misdirected and unfortunate.

yes we all must die, but HOW we die should be OUR INDIVIDUAL decision. If you know someone who's terminally ill, the medical expense, extreme physical pain and burden one feels they may be on caregivers is often unbearable. I believe one should have the CHOICE!!!

i am nutreal . he didnt kill them he just made it possible for them to die peacefully. the peoples familys were even there ..i hate to see people suffer with termanl illness its hard on every one .strange as it may be . they pushed the button to end there life .

I work as a home health and hospice aide and I know where Dr. K was going with this.I respected his work and him as aperson and Dr. I am also a bible reader and bible believer.People have right to choose. (Dr. K was a cutie pie)

just as in the day's of the crusades, salem witch hunt's and trials, religious fanatics portend to stand for the attributes of CHRIST, bull crapp ! Just as seriously wrong as those idea's were back in those most unfortunate day's so is the idea that terminaly ill people should suffer to the bitter end.

I love people that think they can talk for God. If you believe in any medical procedure, why not assisted suicide? If your opinion is that it is life time altering, then you should be against bypass operations, let along Heart Transplants. Why would God give us all this medical knowledge to help us get through life, and then deny us the one procedure that can prevent us the worst possible days. I've never met anyone, who has sat for months on end with a family member with cancer or some other dignity thief, that believed that suffering is part of the human condition. Dr. Kevorkian was a man ahead of his time.

We are fascinated with death and sex. Dr. K, was way ahead of his time or he start his work in a wrong country. As the sex, death is a natural thing and like sex, death is only a business of the person that is involve and love one.

The only reason the AMA, and it's members, is against this procedure is because it forfits the opportunity to milk the insurance companies, government and families of vast sums of money until u finally expire. Follow the money trail for the solution.

If you have ever watched a loved one suffer unbelievable physical and psychological agony over ever experienced pain beyond belief, then you know what true suffering is. If you have not experienced either of these things then please reserve judgement for Dr. K and the people who chose assisted suicide. As for hospice care, they were completely useless when my mother was dying.

I worked at Pontiac General Hospital and Jack Kevorkian was a resident Pathology doctor.
He was one of the nicest human being I ever came across. It sad that people misunderstood him. He was not out to hurt anyone. RIP Jac

Ellen

In reading these posts, I am reminded of a decision that many of us face with loved ones...my mother's decision was to not have 'heroic' means prolong her life. I watched as she suffered with cancer of the brain - no relief; there was nothing that was helpful and her end was horrible. These egoists who pontificate that this suffering is noble and other things which Do Not reflect my beliefs and put their spin on how my mother should have ended her life (according to their philosophy) is /are truly evil. Dr K understood something called compassion and lived its pracice. There is a an incredibly simple truth; judge not less you be judged.

An American hero, Jack Kevorkian.

We should be reminded that Deathe with Dignity was a movement begun by the insurance industry to increase their profits. This activity of Dr. K is veiwed differently by young bdisabilty activists I would refer to the organaization Not Dead Yet , which my own children have looked to for support for years.
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Friday, June 3, 2011
PRESS RELEASE: NDY Activists React to News of Kevorkian's Death

For Immediate Release
June 3, 2011

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Disability Activists React to News of Kevorkian’s Death
Anti-euthanasia disability rights group formed in response to Kevorkian’s 1996 acquittal in deaths of two disabled women
Challenge members of the media to get their facts straight.

I never understood why it's anyone else's business if someone wants to kill themselves. My ex wife-best friend-mother of my children decided to leave us several years ago. Yes, it was the most devastating thing that ever happened to any of us but obviously she wasn't happy at all. Her new husband didn't seem to care so I can only speculate that he was part of the problem. So what gives us the right to tell her she is not allowed to leave? Since she left I've wished several million times I could turn back time. I blame myself for not calling her that day but would she have answered the phone? Let's face it, no one gets out alive. Everyone dies from one thing or another, sooner or later. Why is it called the coward's way out? That makes it sound so cheap and so easy................................

Makes me wonder about Royal Oak property value(s) & water quality, wherever Royal Oak is ?

Today my dear companion is going to die. I've scheduled an appointment for 3 o'clock just as the hospital closes so she won't be traunatized by waiting in the waiting room ... or the noises and bustle of lobby.

She will die in my arms .... quickly and painlessly. I will whisper my love and gratitude for all the years we shared together into her ears as the doctor prepares the lethal injection. I will sooth her as she injects the solution into her back legs. She will swallow once or twice and then relax. I will close her beautiful blue eyes ..... and cry and cry. Sassy is my beloved cat.

But I will have given her what this damned society won't promise me. They'll spout their hate-filled religion masked as "God's will" and they'll thump their Bibles at me as I writhe in pain. My religion which finds God inside my heart every moment and urges me to find God in all living things, can't protect me. Because it IS merciful and doesn't recognize intermediaries spouting platitudes.

I found this article as I sat crying at my computer. Dr. Kervorkian speaks to me even now and I'll go to this painful appointment today remembering him. And his vision.

the real evil people are the stupid d.a and the sick judge who put a 72 year old man in jail for helping people the people who are criticizing him are the narrow minded tea party morons and anti abortionists who scare teen age girls and shoot doctors dont call me a liberal either because i voted for that moron gerge w bush twice and i truly regret it am a college graduate w/ a successful career so i would love to hear from his idiotic detractors if you far right wingers now how to spell may jack kevorkian rest in heavan and his nutcase haters go to hell

We need another Dr. Kevorkian.

He gave people a calmness and dignity in their death, that they never could have had in their final hours of life.

Mike Wallace misses Jack, more than he can say.

He did the world a great service, bringing attention to the need for assisted suicide in this society. It was too bad that he had to pay the price he did for, essentially, aiding people whose quality of life had so deteriorated, or who were in such pain, that they truly no longer had the desire to go on. It's truly shameful that we can be allowed to "do the right thing" for our beloved animals in our lives, yet, in most states in the country, still, we're not allowed the right to end it all for ourselves when our lives have gotten to the point where they're really not worth living anymore. Granted, assisted suicide should never be forced on anyone, as it's definitely not for everyone... but it's an option that should be legal for those who choose to take that route. And no doctor should have to fear paying the price for assisting in making it as painless and merciful as possible. I'd certainly like to option to check out when I please, if all the quality in my life deserts me...Dr. Kevorkian was unjustly persecuted and prosecuted for his good deeds.

Knowing that we actually have the right to dignity and need not suffer in agony as we approach our exit from this mortal plane is something that really makes life much better, freedom from that terrible fear and worry, the freedom to truly love life here while we have it.

60 Minutes aired tape of a murder, at Kevorkians's hands for sweeps week. The previous year they aired unedited footage of Julie Andrews's bare breasts to boost their ratings & settle a bet between those drunken sots, Wallace & Safer. I'll take Mary Poppins' every time. Thanks to Blake Edwards.

the diffrence between animals an humans is we can speack for our selfs. they requested it .animals can not . yet they say its ok to ease there suffering. its just strange for humans to say they want to die .yet they are suffering an can voice there pain .

republican haters can and will turn everything into a politcal issue. why do you people have to be that way?

OH! Royal Oak is in Michigan. That explains the outpouring for "The Dripper". Detroit's dead & Michigan's dying. Forget everything I said. Go ahead & get it over with; but, before you do, send a check to Planned Parenthood.

Jack was not playing God. God was with him through all he did. I had a brother dying of cancer and it was apparent the Doctor gave Hospice orders to give him morvine more then he needed. He died at home with diginity. There was no chance for recovery. This occurs in hospitals more often than you think. The Doctors don't go to JAIL. I had a friend. Young with MS and Dr Jack give her what she needed and another friend with the same disease committed sucide.,

Thank you Jack for the love you had for the human being.

In spite of all the glowing testamonials I've always had a slight reservation against Kevorkians "work". Once in awhile the most tragic and painful illness can have a miraculous reversal and recovery. His "solution" to excrutiating pain permanently eliminated that possibillity.

I feel that Dr. K. was a brilliant man with an understanding of suffering and death with dignity. As a nurse who works in a long term care facility, I see such suffering every day. These are people who have come to be like family to me, and it is difficult to see them suffer and die without the dignity they deserve. Yes, we can keep them medicated but anyone has witnessed a death like this knows that it is still usually not 100% dignified. These people have the right not to have to have their families see them like this at the end of their life cycle. When it has come full circle, it should be a gentle going. Dr. K, you did great things with your time here on this earth!!

My life, my decision! No one else has the right to make the decision unless I give it to them! Especially the goverment! I'm a total believer in Jack's message! And besides, why does anyone care what I do w/ my life? Stay the heck out of my business and tend to your own life! Just saying...

===== A true pioneer in respecting the terminally ill. I think the medical profession should do away with the Hypocratic oath and instead take an oath to rival the work of Dr. K. When the patient feels he/she wants to leave us in a dignified manner, who is to say he/she cannot? No on has the right to tell me how I treat my own body. Eve our Lord took his own son's life. So why can we not take our own? =======

No pioneer. Just a ghoul who got his kicks watching people die. Read his background. Then when he was getting in trouble he latched on to the "death with dignity" angle.

I had the good fortune to have two good conversations with him at the Farmers Market. Coincidentally I knew one of his former lawyers whom I found later to be a disappointment as many in that profession turn out to be. I found Dr. Kevorkian to be a patient remarkable individual gifted not only with the courage of his convictions but a brilliant writer as well with a knowledge of history and constitutional law far beyond his medical training, I discovered his compassion for the suffering of his fellow man surpassed anyone I have ever met before. I feel I lost a great friend, and I hardly knew him. I believe there are many in this town who feel the same way.

Please. He didn't give a crap about anybody's suffering until he got caught up in the controversey and he thought it would help him out. He was a ghoul obsessed with death. Royal Oak is losing it honoring this idiot. What's next a statue for Josef Mengele.