Terrible road conditions in Royal Oak

Can anyone explain why the main roads were plowed and salted UNTIL you hit the Royal Oak city limits.  The best you had there was a little bit of plowing.  In other cities, salting did wonders to help make the roads safer for those that needed to use them.  Come on Royal Oak...get with it...what are you spending our tax dollars on???
Col. John Matrix January 02, 2014 at 08:27 PM
Instead of whining about it under an anonymous name on The Patch, why not call DPS or the City Manager?
l.c. January 02, 2014 at 08:38 PM
well 2 plow trucks were at it from noon till 8pm along Lincoln all day on New Years day,while the snow never stopped.granted most cities would wait till the snowfall subsided as very little was accomplished, on overtime pay to boot, as the streets were still snow covered this morning.johnR in madison heights was wet on New Years so they obviously had a plan that was working.from what I see there are too many miles in Royal Oak to keep up with a heavy snowfall & too few trucks or maybe dissarray within the dept..
Judy Davids (Editor) January 03, 2014 at 07:20 AM
Mayor Jim Ellison posted this on Facebook last night: "Ok, you can file this under "the best laid plans".....Snow Plowing Update: The snow has continued to fall, making plowing operations fall behind schedule. The crews made an attempt to hit the neighborhoods around 1pm this afternoon, but were called back to service the main roads again due to additional snow build up. The plows are still at this writing, finishing up the main road re-plow and expect to hit the neighborhoods around 6pm. They are starting at the far north end of the city and will work over night progressing to the south. There is no expected time as to when they will be done as conditions continue to change. Just a reminder that we have 212 miles of roads in the city that require maintenance, which translates to about 424 miles of curb to touch with a plow. Even if we could travel 70 miles per hour, it would take 6 hrs to travel that distance, add in snow, parked cars, equipment breakdowns, changing conditions, employee fatigue....I think you get where I am going. We ask you to be patient, we will get there."
The Duke of Royal Oak January 03, 2014 at 09:28 AM
The City of Royal Oak-D.P.S. has done a wonderful job! It snowed all day on 1 January and continued most of the day on 2 January. The guys need down time too, so stop the complaining and toughen up a bit. I find it disturbing that especially during the Christmas season folks are so inconsiderate and selfish, SHAME ON YOU! Go and put coal in your stocking NOW!
Brett A. Hermance January 03, 2014 at 11:28 AM
Hope the city has enough road salt to last the winter season. Great job with the plowing and all. :-)
Bill January 04, 2014 at 07:31 AM
Hey, based on the roads I traveled, RO did a pretty good job!
Paula Kelleher Wunder January 06, 2014 at 06:18 AM
One of the reasons why side roads were plowed in other towns was because they were smart enough to have outside help for side roads. I found that every area around here has different temperatures and snow falls. Heavy traffic also contributes to clearer roads. Royal Oak could have done better on the side streets. My road wasn't plow until the alert for the present storm. This year,I have neighbors that share their snow blowers which really helped.
Paula Kelleher Wunder January 06, 2014 at 06:23 AM
Everyone has a story but please, don't make excuses for people that snow plow because it is Christmas. That was stupid. It is there job and down time comes when the job is done. Hey Bill, pretty good doesn't cut it when people lives are involved.
The Duke of Royal Oak January 06, 2014 at 07:06 AM
Ask not what your city can do for you, ask what can you do for your city.
Mary L Urpsis January 06, 2014 at 03:45 PM
In response to Judy Davids' admonishment of January 3, 2014, i.e., "We ask you to be patient, we will get there," I hope the RO treasurer feels the same way when it comes time to pay our taxes ----- I ask you to be patient --- my check will get there.....someday.
Judy Davids (Editor) January 06, 2014 at 04:24 PM
Mary, I did a two-hour ride along this morning to see if there was some sort of problem. There was. There were three water main breaks this morning, which took drivers off the road. The city doesn't have staff that are there just to drive plows. They are expected to do whatever is asked of them, so drivers were pulled to fix the broken mains. Also, the city's trucks are old. Of the dozen or so trucks the city has, two of them were up on hoists. Blades needed to be repaired etc. It takes time. I can assure you everyone I saw was working extremely hard. They are all doing 12-hour shifts. I'll have more later. Many residents have questions and the DPS staff answered them all. Like the DPS staff, I am doing the best I can and working as quickly as I can.
Mary L Urpsis January 06, 2014 at 04:32 PM
thank you for the response, Judy. There is no doubt that our workers are working as hard as they can. My question is, with the amount of taxes we pay, why is it our workers are expected to perform miracles when they are only supplied with a "dozen or so trucks," (albeit "old") for 212 miles of city streets and two are on hoists? That leaves ten OLD trucks for 212 miles of city streets, or 424 miles, taking into consideration a double pass on each street. I wish people would stop making excuses for this city and start telling the truth ----- we do not have the proper equipment, nor is the equipment we do have in tip-top condition. It's not the workers, people ---- it's the city leaders. Our tax money is not being utilized properly. We are not "emergency ready." P.S. I am not a newcomer ---- I've lived here for almost 70 years.
The Duke of Royal Oak January 06, 2014 at 06:42 PM
I do believe our city leaders spent $40,000.00 on a new city logo which was money spent very poorly, and the new logo reflects nothing of the great history of Royal Oak nor does it say anything about Royal Oak.
Mary L Urpsis January 06, 2014 at 06:52 PM
maybe they could have used that 40K for a new plow truck? Not familiar with the cost of a truck, so I am unable to speak to that, but it could have gone toward a NEW plow truck, at least, then we could get rid of one of the "old" trucks that still have not plowed my street ---- but then there is no school tomorrow, so why would they plow my street upon which there is a school? Haven't even seen a plow truck in our area all day which is the Shrine area.
D January 06, 2014 at 10:20 PM
Just to clarify things...I started this blog to find out why our city was not putting salt down on the roads during the snow fall of Jan. 1st. While other cities were both plowing and salting (and the roads were clear or snow was being melted ) Royal Oak drivers were only plowing. And than at best, the blades were left about 1 to 2 inches above the road creating a hard packed snow and ice surface. I just think we need city officials that consider the needs of the citizens when they make decisions involving the finances. Poor money management seems to be an issue with our city leaders.
Patience January 07, 2014 at 01:07 AM
Ice forms when the­ temperature of water reaches 32 degrees Fahrenheit (0 degrees Celsius). When you add salt, that temperature drops: A 10-percent salt solution freezes at 20 F (-6 C), and a 20-percent solution freezes at 2 F (-16 C). On a roadway, this means that if you sprinkle salt on the ice, you can melt it. The salt dissolves into the liquid water in the ice and lowers its freezing point. If the temperature of the roadway is lower than 15 F or so, then the salt really won't have any effect -- the solid salt cannot get into the structure of the solid water to start the dissolving process. In that case, spreading sand over the top of the ice to provide traction is a better option. I hope this answers your question about why salt isn't being put down.
Judy Davids (Editor) January 07, 2014 at 07:27 AM
Thanks, Patience Here's a link to more snowplowing questions and answers: http://royaloak.patch.com/groups/politics-and-elections/p/why-do-you-leave-that-pile-of-snow-at-the-end-of-my-driveway_eb7fd290
Debbie Campbell January 07, 2014 at 07:40 AM
As of 8:40 last night Elmhurst between 13 Mile and Normandy hadn’t been plowed—Neighbors are pitching-in though pushing one another’s stuck cars down the street--


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