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Obama Gun Control Proposals Unveiled: What's Your Take?

The president unveiled a sweeping number of proposals Wednesday designed to curb gun violence. What do you think?

President Obama on Wednesday unveiled what is being called the most ambitious gun control agenda in decades, initiating 23 separate executive actions aimed at curbing what he called “the epidemic of gun violence in this country,” according to The Washington Post.

According to the White House fact sheet, Obama’s plan includes:

  • Reinstating and strengthening the assault weapons ban.
  • Restoring a 10-round limit on ammunition magazines.
  • Getting rid of armor-piercing bullets.
  • Ending a freeze on research into gun violence.
  • Providing additional tools to prevent and prosecute gun crime.
  • Calling on Congress to pass a $4 billion proposal to help communities keep 15,000 police officers on the streets, as well as new gun trafficking legislation that would “impose serious penalties on those who help get guns into the hands of criminals."
  • Making schools safer by giving communities the opportunity to hire up to 1,000 school resource officers and school counselors.

Michigan political reaction came quickly:

Gov. Rick Snyder released the following statement:

"It's a dialogue that's happening in earnest at the federal level. In Michigan, we are looking at the issue of violence from a holistic approach, examining the multiple causes and root of the problem.  That's why I have ordered a multi-departmental assessment of the state's services and needs regarding at-risk children, school security, and mental health that will hopefully lead to more answers and better safeguards while ensuring we're protecting the rights of law-abiding firearm owners."

Sen. Carl Levin (D-Mich.) released the following statement:

"I strongly support the efforts President Obama outlined today to curb the gun violence that plagues our nation. I have long supported legislation to restore the ban on assault weapons. I also have supported closing the gun show loophole to strengthen the background checks that keep weapons out of the hands of criminals, terrorists, domestic abusers, and other dangerous individuals. I support our police agencies, who have implored us to make these changes.

“The steps the president outlined today are important in protecting Americans, while respecting the rights of law-abiding gun owners. The president is right. It’s time for us to act, and Congress should do so.”

Sen. Debbie Stabenow (D-Mich.) released the following statement:

“I applaud the President’s focus on strengthening background checks, helping to keep weapons out of the hands of criminals, protecting our children in schools and honoring our great traditions of hunting and sportsmanship.  It is also critically important that the President is focusing on mental health as part of a comprehensive plan to curb gun violence. While most individuals with mental illness are not a danger to themselves or anyone else, in the aftermath of the tragedy in Connecticut, and so many tragedies in the recent past, it is important we take appropriate action to keep our children safe, and strengthening our mental health system is a key part of that.  In the coming months we must take further action in Congress to make sure individuals living with mental illness and their families can get the care and support they need.”

Canton Guy January 19, 2013 at 09:21 pm
Brad - no sarcasm here I swear but I have to ask. And please, be honest and just reply with "yes" or "no". Are you a communist or a member of the communist party? Do you like the way things are run in North Korea, China, Cuba? Have you ever lived (not visited) in any of these countries?
Canton Guy January 19, 2013 at 09:24 pm
I heard someone ask why there's no video surveillance from the school's security system. Anyone know if the school has a surveillance system? I heard it does but I don't know anyone who lives there or attends the school in order to verify.
Canton Guy January 19, 2013 at 09:28 pm
Harley is spot on. Although he didn't say this, 10s of millions of deaths are the direct causality of corrupt governments around the world and we're supposed to believe if we give up our ability to protect ourselves, these same governments are going to "protect" us? Hahahaha!!!
Brad Jensen January 19, 2013 at 11:55 pm
It was a theoretical question. I am asking about the inherent value of guns. The only value of guns is to stop other people with guns. I am arguing about the argument, which I find stupid, that because "x" also kills people, we should outlaw that. Machine guns are designed to kill people. They have no other purpose. I can argue that I enjoy owning machine guns and that I feel that I need them to defend myself against "tyranny". However, we outlaw those because it would be stupid to let people have them. We DID have machine guns in private hands and criminals had them as well. We outlawed them and now neither law-abiding citizens nor criminals have them now. There are not "thousands" by the end of the week. Your argument is that because we have done nothing to control guns and keep them out of the hands of the wrong people, we should just throw our hands up in the air and say we can't do anything. Lock yourself in and prepare to shoot anyone who comes through the door?
Brad Jensen January 19, 2013 at 11:57 pm
Name calling and ad hominen attacks show that you have no valid arguments left. No, I am not a member of the communist party if it is of any business of yours. Now a question for you: are you plotting the violent overthrow of the United States government?
Matt Guarnieri January 20, 2013 at 03:05 am
The Sandy Hook shooter had only standard ammunition magazines, no armour piercing bullets, no assault weapons on him and no body armour. How would any of the new regulations have prevented this or any of the other recent tragedies? One armed adult is all that was needed yet the current laws prevent legally carrying weapons to defend people so the people who choose to commit these crimes have no stopgap to prevent them.
Armed, law abiding adults prevent the nut jobs from killing the innocent. Just knowing someone might be armed prevents more crimes than anyone takes into consideration.
Ron January 20, 2013 at 07:22 pm
Matt, the cowardly killer of 20 innocent children aged 5-10 years old and 6 innocent adults dedicated to teaching them DID in fact use an assault weapon.
CNN) -- Adam Lanza brought three weapons inside Sandy Hook Elementary school on December 14 and left a fourth in his car, police said. Those weapons were a BUSHMASTER AR-15 rifle and two handguns -- a Glock 10 mm and a Sig Sauer 9 mm. In the car he left a shotgun, about which police have offered no details. http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/18/us/connecticut-lanza-guns/index.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/17/us/lanza-used-a-popular-ar-15-style-rifle-in-newtown.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0 This fact renders the majority of your argument useless. The remainder or your argument relies on hypothetical situations that are unproven. Do heavily armed gangs in Los Angeles NOT kill each other knowing full well that the other side is just as heavily armed? Do heavily armed militants in the middle east NOT kill each other knowing full well that the other side is just as heavily armed? The answer is quite obviously NO.
John Bays January 21, 2013 at 01:30 am
Interesting Statistic - Soldiers and Policemen have the highest incidence of Gun Suicides. We have lost more American Soldiers to Suicide than to enemy attacks. There is a evisceral and inescapable psychological response to living with the reality of death and having the weaponry close at hand. When those weapons are killing machines to be used against other Human Beings the effect is exacerbated. Ask any Shrink.
Canton Guy January 21, 2013 at 03:05 am
Well, there you have it. It was on CNN so it must be true. Give me a break.
Thomas Gagne January 21, 2013 at 01:30 pm
Mr. Bays, do you know if there are any statistics about previous wars? Given that every American war has been fought with guns, has the rate of soldier suicide increased, decreased, or remained the same?
A similar trend line would be interesting just using guns-in-the-home. In the 1960s a little over 50% of American homes had guns, but now the number is a little less than one third of homes. What has been the rate of suicide with guns since 1960? If the numbers roughly follow each other, the availability of guns could be argued. If the rate of suicide has increased, then it should be argued that Americans have changed--and guns are only a tool.
Brad Jensen January 21, 2013 at 02:26 pm
Suicide rate for 1950 21.2 per 100,000 for males and 5.6 per 100,000 for females. Suicide rate for males in 2005 (latest I could find) were 17.7 per 100,000 and 4.5 per 100,000 for females. So the suicide rate is going down as gun ownership is going down.
Brad Jensen January 21, 2013 at 02:31 pm
I should have said "civilian" suicide rate. I don't have figures for the military.
Laura Vogel January 21, 2013 at 02:51 pm
... what could also have changed is the degree to which suicides of former active-duty service members is even tracked, much as less the degree to which such statistics are made public. If anyone has a link from e.g. a university research study, that would be helpful.
Col. Duke Lacrosse January 21, 2013 at 04:48 pm
You sure are full of self-righteousness. Have you actually seen the weapons Lanza used? Are there actual pictures somewhere? Because lacking actual pictures, it's entirely possible the police in podunk Newtown mis-identified the weapons used. And it's possible that they wouldn't want to admit this mistake, because it would make them look foolish. It would also remove some wind from the sails of the pied-piper gungrabbers, whom you are obviously following like a good little child.
You are sure about what you think, because of stuff you read on the internet. That is a recipe for failure.
Margaret Betts January 21, 2013 at 09:51 pm
Yes but when used, the assault weapons can wipe out a room full of people in just seconds and they seem to be getting more popular. Statistics will change, you'll see.
Lianne Mathie January 21, 2013 at 10:27 pm
Well, here's the rumor mill on Sandy Hook and the non-sense being spread by the "Truthers"
http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/newtown.asp
Ron January 22, 2013 at 02:46 am
Col. Duke,,, it is obvious that you (and those that think like you) only believe that which you already believe to be true and the rest is considered utter nonsense. Thus the source and content of any information contradictory to what you already believe is rendered irrelevant before you even read it. Facts have no place in your world and are easily substituted with conjecture and dripping with innuendo intended to support anything BUT factual information. You live to deny the obvious.
And I would agree with you on one item in particular,,, reading anything on the internet from folks like yourself and attempting to take is serious is definitely a "recipe for disaster".
mustangcobratim January 22, 2013 at 12:29 pm
This is just an attempt of Obama to create a dictorship in our country . What happened to our constitution of which our founding fathers used guns to help create? Let's look at the big picture.
Dennis January 22, 2013 at 04:15 pm
If a car functions properly, but the driver is drunk (or otherwise impaired), it can and does kill... in fact, properly-functioning cars in the hands of ill-equipped (drunk, new, old) drivers kill FAR MORE people than guns ever did, that's an easy fact to prove. Oh, and like Harley, Im not a LEO but my guns have never hurt any person.
Ever. Pharmaceuticals impair many people, as well as inhibit progress. First-hand seen doctors put family members on meds that took them out of functionality, and they only got better once we STOPPED the drugs. Another fact: more people GET sick and die in hospitals than any other place. That is one reason they try to get you out of there asap, to prevent contracting other illnesses. Look up C. diff, kills 14,000 ppl/yr, occurs in hospitals/nursing homes thru fecal material. Nice. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clostridium_difficile So your arguments are all proven FALSE, cars kill, drugs kill, and hospitals kill, all more than guns. Next.
Dennis January 22, 2013 at 04:30 pm
michelle, "I know I know...Guns don't kill people, people kill people." And yet you still wish to blame the objects. Using this logic, they should ban bars and/or alcohol, because if you go in and drink, 99% then have to drive home. Since MORE people are killed by DDs than by all guns, this should make more sense to you. But history shows prohibition doesn't work, and that will hold true with guns as well. Laws will only prevent HONEST citizens from getting them legally, not criminals. The law WORKED in Newtown, preventing him from buying a rifle, but did not work in preventing the crime. Kneejerk is no way to legislate a country.
Dennis January 22, 2013 at 04:39 pm
Ambulance, it only took 3 shots to assassinate the President. NONE of the proposed laws would have prevented that incident.
Dexter Mom, exactly right. If you disarm legal citizens, the strong arm thugs take over like rats. Check "violent crimes" in countries without arms, not just "gun murders". Home invasions skyrocketed after the arms grab... is that what ppl want? michelle, agree on games/videos/music/etc... our kids are fed and surrounded by pure GARBAGE 24/7. I twist YOLO on my kids as NOT a reason to go crazy, but the fact there are no 'do overs', so make your choices wisely. Tough days.
Dennis January 22, 2013 at 04:51 pm
michelle, it's because he deleted it after posting. And you are over-thinking what could have prevented SH... fact is, no matter what, you cannot prevent everything, and the police will arrive to a scene AFTER the incident (re: not preventing). I have no doubts, with her passion, the SH principal would have stopped him if she had a weapon besides her hands. Brave woman, God bless, we need more like her!
Dennis January 22, 2013 at 04:55 pm
You need to prosecute the 'straw buyers', not the dealers who are legally selling to 'checked' buyers. What they do with them is not controllable by dealers. Convicted 'straw buyers' (easy paper trail) should receive mandatory life. This would make them think 3 times.
Dennis January 22, 2013 at 05:20 pm
No Brad, your math is wrong. "four less shots? Four less people dead?" would mean every bullet killed someone. FAR from accurate. Out of supposed 100s of shots fired, only 12 people died. So four less shots means nothing statistically. Also, not everyone died/injured from gunshots, but also from chaos and trauma in the exit stampede.
"there were 27 shots in 30 seconds." is not a fact, but a guesstimate from patrons in a state of shock and panic. Also, some people died from the regular-old shotgun and Glock handgun he also carried, therefore diluting the death toll by the "assault" rifle. "if that reloading would have saved one life...then why not outlaw large capacity magazines" Please show me ANY other laws enacted to save one life? Then we should ban eggs, since 1,100 people die annually from salmonella. Same logic.
Dennis January 22, 2013 at 05:41 pm
"How many more children and innocent people need to die before we take action? "
42 kids (2x as many as SH) were killed by skateboards in 2011... should we ban them? Hundreds of kids killed on bikes every year... should we ban them? If you want to save kids, there are many other 'objects' that harm them, albeit not so dramatically.
Dennis January 22, 2013 at 06:18 pm
"Now, what would our society be without guns? A whole lot safer. " Not necessarily true Brad. Look at Britain, they collected up guns, and IMMEDIATELY "strong arm" violent crime and home invasions skyrocketed. This means, without guns, the criminals would simple break in your home and beat you senseless and take what they want. We are a more violent society (like it or not) than Britain, so imagine what would happen in the suburbs of Detroit if guns disappear. If you think peace and harmony would ensue, you'd be fatally wrong. It'd be ugly. The Koreans in LA wouldn't have stood a chance against the rioters without their arms. LA cops ran to gun shops to get their rifles... but what if the gun shops didn't have them, as you propose? What then?
Frustrated Old Man January 22, 2013 at 07:38 pm
Department of Homeland Security: Sport rifle (AR-15) “suitable for personal defense”
http://radioviceonline.com/department-of-homeland-security-sport-rifle-ar-15-suitable-for-personal-defense/
Frustrated Old Man January 22, 2013 at 07:49 pm
Another active school shooting, Texas, Fox News now.
Brad Jensen January 22, 2013 at 09:42 pm
The Tucson shooter was stopped as he was changing his magazine.
Brad Jensen January 22, 2013 at 09:50 pm
The 27 shots in 30 seconds was from the 911 tape. And no, the egg argument is not the same logic.

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