Should Snyder Sign Bill Allowing Concealed Weapons in Schools?

On Friday, a gunman killed at least 27 at a school in Newtown, CT. Meanwhile in Michigan, Gov. Snyder has a bill on his desk that would allow some concealed guns in schools. What do you think?

Should Michigan's governor sign a bill on is desk that would allow concealed weapons in former no-gun zones, like schools?

The question is timely:

  • Under legislation that passed the House and Senate in Michigan this week, gun owners with concealed weapon permits could carry a gun into schools, daycares, hospitals or public arenas if they get extra training. The bill is awaiting Gov. Rick Snyder's signature, according to MLive.
  • And on Friday, a gunman opened fire in a school in Newtown, CT, .

What do you think of the legislation? Should the governor sign it?

joel heller December 22, 2012 at 08:15 AM
The link from Mr Gagne was to an article written by Garen Wintemute, MD, MPH Violence Prevention Research Program. Many gun blame groups use the term "violence prevention" in their headers. As if all violence is bad. When evil people, groups or nations use violence to attain their goals, a superior level of violence is needed to turn them back. Let's make this perfectly clear. Guns and violence are tools. The article does use the correct figure for gun shows as the source for guns in the possession for felons, Which is 2%. Howard's quote "40% of guns bought are bought without backround checks" comes from where? Backround checks aren't for everybody. Did you mean background? Howard hates guns and gun shows, yet he "bought guns in the isles many times with no paperwork" In MI private (no background check) sales of guns have not been allowed at any of the gun shows I've been to for many years. I find it odd that a man with such a strong revulsion to guns, has bought so many. Howard, if you were somehow there at Sandy Hook, with one of your many guns, would you have used violence to stop evil?
FCF December 22, 2012 at 11:57 AM
Joel, good investigation! With the "Lions and Tigers and Bears Oh, My!" crowd complaining about the NRA advice and commitment to help with the implementation of armed security in our schools we should remember that Bubba did it back in 2000! http://articles.latimes.com/2000/apr/16/news/mn-20323 Further, the NRA advised these security personnel could come from retired police or vets and be either paid or volunteer and who would receive training and certification - although you will not hear that particular description from the anti-gun crowd - who dismiss it as "Police, why that would be too expensive and take them off the streets!" And Remember Columbine! Here is another good article! http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/12/21/this-post-is-going-to-be-very-confusing-to-some-people/
Howard Berkowitz December 22, 2012 at 01:08 PM
I didnt say I had many guns I said I had bought many guns. I said I worked gun shows I didnt say only Michigan gunshows. When I first started doing it about 92 I believe they were still swapping guns in the isles of the gun shows in Michigan too. I worked gun shows also in Indiana, Ohio, Pa, Tennessee and Fla. I have one shot gun not loaded in my home. If you had two son's and one received a BB Gun from his grandpa and a year later he shot the eye out of the other son, would your solution be to bring in another BB gun lol? There have been armed persons at many of these mass shootings including Columbine. It is not the answer. The answer is common sense gun laws. No reason for high capacity clips and assaults weapons . You guys are not going to fight the government and if you had to in some fantasy, you would lose,,the government could fight you from an air conditioned office sending drones to destroy your homes. Staliln is dead so is Hitler you are not going to fight them lol Wake up. This time is different, we will get sensible gun laws that will decrease these fatalities just they did in Australia.
joel heller December 23, 2012 at 07:59 AM
"WASHINGTON — Marking the first anniversary of the shooting deaths at Columbine High School, President Clinton announced $120 million in new federal grants Saturday to place more police officers in schools". FCF's fist link covers the details. Bill and Hilary proposed this in April of 2002. This was eight years into the Clinton "assault rifle/ high capacity magazine ban" and three years after Columbine. When the Columbine massacre happened in 1999 they realized the need.. In 2003, the now obviously ineffective Clinton ban was allowed to expire. The 2nd FCF link points out "The NRA proposed a similar " officers in schools " plan on Friday , in response to Sandy Hook. The article goes on to say "Barack Obama cut the funding for the Clinton era version of the same " cops in schools" program, presumably in his first term. Is this way there was not even one policeman on duty at Sandy Hook.? .
joel heller December 23, 2012 at 07:59 AM
Perhaps Howard will provide an accuracy check on the above. If funds for school security were not cut, might Sandy Hook have been avoided? Is the answer to lowering the risk of another Columbine or Sandy Hook more school security? One thing is certain, Columbine occurred when the Clinton "assault rifle/ high capacity magazine ban" had been in effect for years. What can be said of those who propose reviving some version of a failed plan to make our schools safer? Do they believe in the absence of all fact and logic that they are right? Do they hate guns so completely as to be blind to the facts and logic? Worse yet, some may believe these periodic tragedies are the price to be paid to rid society of as many guns as possible, from the law abiding, the criminal and the lunatic alike. By the way, Howard, sorry to hear you are down to one gun. Would you use it to save your own life?


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